Thursday, March 20, 2008

An apology to the Discovery Institute

Wow, Im getting another dose of humble pie today (actually, its pineapple upside-down cheesecake).

All those times I pointed at the Discovery Institute or one of its 'fellows' and laughed 'FAIL! LOL!' 'EPIC FAIL! LOSER LOL!'?

I was wrong.

Those werent epic fails.

This is an epic fail.


So I apologize Discovery Institute, and producers of EXPELLED. I severely underestimated your ability to fail. Touche.

Edited to add-- Kristine has a short account of the events at AtBC. Where is Randy Olson? What was his point in 'Flock of Dodos' again? How Creationists are nice people? Seriously, omfg! Radical Christians are plotting to give me a fucking brain aneurysm this week...

34 comments:

Darek said...

To be fair to the IDiots, PZ does have an unusual amount of tentacles for a human. He would be much easier to spot in a crowd than Dawkins.

Gary said...

I had a feeling you'd have something to say about this.

It may not be Good Friday where I reside quite yet but it certainly is a good Thursday.

Reynold said...

This has got to be some sort of publicity stunt. No one could be that stupid.

You know what they'll do? They'll point to this and say something like "That's the treatment WE'VE been getting"!

Man. Over three hundred comments already on that blog entry. That's got to be a record.

Anonymous said...

Reynold,

That's the treatment that the deserve for such disingenuous behavior and lying.

Definition of Epic Fail.

Red said...

The Flock Of Dodos were always my least favorite 80s cover band. :/

Sili said...

I'd've thought the cleft hooves and the smell of fire a brimstone would have been a dead give-away for Dawkins.

The pharyngulista who suggested he'd used a Jedi mindtrick to get in, might be on to something.

Brett said...

For making me laugh this hard, I forgive them for their completely inane movie. It's worth it.

Or maybe not...

Reynold said...

No, it isn't worth it, those lying bastards. "Absolute morality" my ass!


Anyway, Wes Elsberry has more to say about this:

koldito said...

I'd like to quote from Kill Bill:

"This seems proof like no other that God exists, and not only does He exist, you're doing His will".

Randy said...

Sili: Thanks for that little hat-tip. Glad somebody enjoyed it there.

HalfMooner said...

This was the greatest single thing that's happened in the Culture Wars, since you took down Dembski and Behe, Abbie.

And even funnier, given how they tossed out PZ, while Dawkins Hisself was standing in line with him. (Imagine PZ's ego right now, straining to make his head explode!)

The self-inflicted embarrassment itself should rightly kill Creationism. Except for the fact that those folks know no shame.

Brian said...

This is why the term "Epic Fail" was invented. Someone foresaw this day.

Rev. BigDumbChimp said...

Can't stop laughing. Can't

Oh and the lying and spin has begun.

Iron Soul said...

mmm. pineapple upside down cheesecake. one of my favorite things

The Evolved Rationalist said...

Cdesign proponentsists can do nothing but fail. Spectacularly.

Bill said...

It gets worse.

Bruce Chapman of the DI writes a long, steaming pile of tripe about how Dawkins crashed the movie because he didn't have a ticket.

NOBODY had a ticket because it was a ticketless screening.

Nor was the screening by invitation. You simply signed up at the Expelled website. PZ and Dawkins did just that.

Chapman is spinning this as fast as he can because he realizes his own Morons expelled PZ but let in freaking DAWKINS.

Oh, Epic Fail doesn't even begin to describe this debacle!

Gary said...

Sorry to go off topic, but I'd like to hear your views on this little item:

Ian said...

The Harvard/XVIVO video shows up again!

Darek said...

Oh, you're going to love this Abbie:

http://scienceblogs.com/intersection/2008/03/this_controversy_helps_ben_ste.php

Yes, perhaps any publicity is good publicity, but exposing the people behind this film as hypocrites isn't going to attract anyone who isn't a creationist/IDiot to their side.

Blake Stacey said...

It's possible the animation didn't come from Harvard/XVIVO (although I would hardly be surprised if it did).

ERV said...

darek-- Im over it. Hes dead to me.

Ian, Blake-- *puts on sunglasses* The situation is being investigated. Lulz and caek have been ordered.

Blake Stacey said...

Glad to know the people with sunglasses are on the case.

About the whole "this controversy helps Ben Stein" thing: yeah, it might make more people aware of him and Mathis, but it makes them aware of Stein and Mathis as lying scumbags. That's important.

Then, too, we're not talking about some spoon-bender or crop circle fanatic with a blog that looks like the Timecube website and a stall at the local UFO Abductees Convention. In that situation, yeah, maybe letting them fade into obscurity has some merit, but Intelligent Design is about as entrenched as a pseudoscience can get.

I swear, it's like the 2008 Chris Mooney would have been furious at CNN for reporting on the Dover trial.

Darek said...

About the whole "this controversy helps Ben Stein" thing: yeah, it might make more people aware of him and Mathis, but it makes them aware of Stein and Mathis as lying scumbags. That's important.

And you can bet that Stein and company will be spreading those lies on Larry King, Glen Beck and so on, once we're closer to the release date.

The token scientist that appears on those shows, given five seconds to refute all of their arguments, is not enough.

Zarquon said...

All Token Scientist has to do is ask, "Why did you expel PZ, even though he's in the film"

This destroys their message.

William Wallace said...

The foul mouthed ERV.

Zarquon said...

Oh, fuck off.

HalfMooner said...

William Wallace wrote: "The foul mouthed ERV." At least her mouth is attached to a working, and honest, brain.

Reynold said...

Christ, I love this. The ID people are getting caught lying left and right, being caught making hypocrites of themselves.


However, unlike PZ Myers and Richard Dawkins, the interviews with Will and I were not included in the film. Why not? Because (as many posters at this site are well aware), we regularly invite ID proponents (such as Michael Behe, John Sanford, Hannah Maxson, and Phillip Johnson, among many others) to make presentations in our evolution courses at Cornell. But this fact would clash in an unfortunate way with the premise of the film, which is that “Darwinists” unfairly discriminate against ID supporters and creationists.

In other words, “Expelled” is a propaganda piece, pure and simple, as are virtually all of the public pronouncements of the Discovery Institute and their supporters. Scientists don’t make propaganda movies (although we are sometimes invited to participate in them under fraudulent pretenses). No, we go out into the field and the laboratory and investigate nature.



And just what does William Wallace have to say? He talks about Abbie's language. Maybe that IDiot Wallce should be more concerned with the lies and hypocrosy coming from his side first.

Maybe he ought to ask himself why it's the "foul mouthed" evos who are more honest than the god-fearing xians in this matter. Remember the Dover trial with Buckinham getting caught out on the stand.


Ah well, time for Dembski and Denyse to have their say!

Red said...

Hey, Abbie, did you see Kern on NBC this morning? She was on Flashpoint.

My favorite part of the debate was when she was saying how medical research was completely pointing towards homosexuality not being a choice. When the openly gay pastor on the other side brought up the American Medical Association, American Psychiatric Association and a few others who, well, don't, she started going on about how they actually totally agree with her, really, why are you saying they don't?

Janine said...

William Wallace said...

The foul mouthed ERV.


Little Willie, is this what you have been reduced to after a weekend of beat downs?

Oh, one's ideas are not discredited by using bad words. Sad silly little Willie. HA-ha.

Reynold said...

Looks like the "no ticket" lie that they've been spreading has been exposed.

Anonymous said...

To be fair, not all creationists are the same. We shouldn't generalize. Of course there are some who are complete morons, but there are others who are very nice people who pray for us and make rice krispie squares. Don't be so harsh on lumped-together creationists.

Anonymous said...

Where is Randy Olsen?

I'm surprised he isn't here already, actually. I've often been a bit perturbed by how, whenever anyone on Scienceblogs makes a post using the words "film" or "movie", he turns up to say "Well, when I made my movie A Flock of Dodos, available $19.99 from all good stores..."

Reynold said...

Looks like PZ's account has been verified.

This is from Denyse's own blog, only indirectly linked to from Myers' blog. Oh well...the bolded part is the part PZ mentioned in his blog.

March 24, 2008: Update note from line producer Mark Mathis, who writes me to say:

You should know that I invited Michael shermer to a screening at NRB in Nashville. He came and is writing a review for scientific American. I banned pz because I want him to pay to see it. Nothing more.


Note: See also the earlier post on PZ Myers getting expelled from Expelled.

For convenience, if there are further developments, I will update from here, and it's not my fault if the story is confusing.