Monday, February 25, 2008

When Tards Attack

Crap! Its bed-time, and I just found this.

DRAT! Foiled again by those wily lychee researchers!

*shakes fist angrily*

Didnt the EAC just pass a resolution about keeping Creationists away from fresh fruit?

70 comments:

Tim said...

What's with you, Abbie?
Do a post on that. Do a post on what makes some like you refer to people you disagree with as 'tards'.
I'm not a grad student, I got my B.A. in psych and bailed. I'm not the brightest and I have a mean streak.... but I wouldn't do what you do. What makes you do what you do, Abbie?
What makes you act the way you do? Even If I was entirely certain about something I don't know if I would be able to do what you do and maintain that same smug attitude. I think I would be disgusted with myself.
What makes you different?

Janine said...

Tim, Tim, Tim...

You really do not know much about cdesign proponentsists. Learn how they operate. If name calling were the least of what they do, there would be no problems. This is not just merely disagreement. Those that Abby makes fun of deserve everything they get. And all she uses are facts and names.

dochocson said...

Tim

It's like Janine says. The opposition (and this is an "Us vs. Them" proposition) likes to lie and deceive.

Try this little experiment:

Go to Uncommon Descent and find an post where the author makes an obvious error or misquotes someone. Really, it isn't hard to find one.

Next, post in the thread and call the author out on the error. Be persistent.

Next, see how long it takes before your posting privileges are revoked. You get bonus points if they "disappear" your original comments.

Lies, revisionism and more lies, yet they try to claim the "moral" high ground and play the persecution card.

They deserve every ounce of invective that Abbie sends their way.

Tatarize said...

"I'm... a grad student. I'm... the brightest. I'm... smug... disgusted with myself." - Tim

Well Tim, I can see from my quote mined version of your statement that you're clearly a smug and angry person and personally I think you should be disgusted with yourself.

Christophe Thill said...

The guy may be a creationist but I love lychee and mango and I can't really bring myself to say bad things about someone who obviously devted his life to them. Well, part of his life anyway; the other part being devoted to BS, which is much, much less tasty.

Tyler DiPietro said...

"Even If I was entirely certain about something I don't know if I would be able to do what you do and maintain that same smug attitude. I think I would be disgusted with myself."

Aw, that's cute.

Chad said...

Tim, it's actually very simple what makes her different: she's right.

Quite honestly, the only reason more people don't have blogs like hers is because Abbie does such a great job and any more blogs like hers would simply be redundant.

Tim said...

These are reasons why Abbie gets to call everyone who's telic-minded 'tards'?
There isn't any excuse, the behavior is disgusting.

"Those that Abby makes fun of deserve everything they get. And all she uses are facts and names."

People, because of their differing beliefs, deserve to be made fun of?

Tim said...

Tim, it's actually very simple what makes her different: she's right.

Well I'm convinced.

Quite honestly, the only reason more people don't have blogs like hers is because Abbie does such a great job and any more blogs like hers would simply be redundant.

I'm sure she appreciates the back-patting, but I disagree that it is because she is doing such a great job. Not going to deny that she knows her stuff.... but I don't see that as being an excuse to act the way she does. However, for the majority of you it does appear excusable, maybe even required.

phish said...

"Not going to deny that she knows her stuff.... but I don't see that as being an excuse to act the way she does. However, for the majority of you it does appear excusable, maybe even required."


We must seem small from your 'moral ivory tower.' Maybe the air is so thin up there that you can't gather the brain power to differentiate between science professionals and professional liars, instead choosing to reference how tall your tower is over and over again.

Nobody cares about your tower, we care about honesty. Cdesign proponetsists are entirely too dishonest -tard is almost a compliment. It acknowledges their existence. Look up their name: cdesign proponentsists (I recommend the NOVA narrative -youtube it), and ask yourself: "Is calling them a tard out-of-place?" And thats only one instance of dishonesty.

S_A_Wells said...

tim, Abbie gets to say what she wants on HER BLOG because it is HER BLOG. If your delicate sensibilities are offended I suggest an obvious solution: go away.

Tim said...

We must seem small from your 'moral ivory tower.' Maybe the air is so thin up there that you can't gather the brain power to differentiate between science professionals and professional liars, instead choosing to reference how tall your tower is over and over again.

It doesn't require taking up residence in an ivory tower to see that many of you are acting pretty pathetic. I've worked with children that show more restraint than many of you.
Calling them "professional liars" is dishonest and you're concerned WITH honesty? Nice little trick.

Nobody cares about your tower, we care about honesty.

No, someone labeling a person a professional liar is not as interested in honesty as they claim. Also, I don't care about this tower notion you drew up.... but you seem to.

Cdesign proponetsists are entirely too dishonest -tard is almost a compliment. It acknowledges their existence. Look up their name: cdesign proponentsists (I recommend the NOVA narrative -youtube it), and ask yourself: "Is calling them a tard out-of-place?" And thats only one instance of dishonesty.

Wow. If I only knew where to start.
Let's say that there was a time when 'creationist' might have been the general term used to describe the vast array of views held by those that believed there was some level of foresight and intention in the biotic sphere.
Then that term began to be used when refering to a very specific sub-set of that general telic-minded community. Usually for derisive purposes by those who disagreed with any notion of foresight, purpose & intention.
An author of a book no longer felt that term (creationist) to be the proper distinction of what his views were. Decides to change the word to 'design proponent', but a mistake happened. And it becomes a convenient way to thwart discussion.

And/or.... a reason to call a person a 'tard'.

Tim said...

tim, Abbie gets to say what she wants on HER BLOG because it is HER BLOG. If your delicate sensibilities are offended I suggest an obvious solution: go away.

Oh, so that's what it is. Because it's her blog she can throw as many insults as she wishes. I thought it had something to do with valuing honesty so much that she could no longer restrain her emotions and she just needed to mock those clearly dishonest others.

However, couldn't I say the same to you? These are MY THOUGHTS and this is a PUBLIC FORUM. If your delicate sensibilities are offended because I disagree with her actions. I suggest an obvious solution: go away.

ERV said...

Scientists calling The Arguments Regarding Design TARD = DISGUSTING! PATHETIC!

Professional Creationist telling a graduate student to go kill herself = fine and dandy!

I heart tard morals.

Enjoy the troll, guys!

Tyler DiPietro said...

"No, someone labeling a person a professional liar is not as interested in honesty as they claim."

Unless, of course, the person in question is indeed a professional liar.

phish said...

"Let's say that there was a time when 'creationist' might have been the general term used to describe the vast array of views held by those that believed there was some level of foresight and intention in the biotic sphere.
Then that term began to be used when refering to a very specific sub-set of that general telic-minded community. Usually for derisive purposes by those who disagreed with any notion of foresight, purpose & intention.
An author of a book no longer felt that term (creationist) to be the proper distinction of what his views were. Decides to change the word to 'design proponent', but a mistake happened. And it becomes a convenient way to thwart discussion."


Sure, lets say that. You're right.

But thats not what happened. A creationist text was being written before the courts ruled that teaching creationism should not be done. They then took exactly the same text (in draft form), and merely replaced words like "creator" with "agency" and creation with design. No change to ideas, no progression of data, no advancement of position -simply relabeling the offending phrases with more sterile phrases.

Why did they change the text in such a way? Because they knew they couldn't promote their views without changing the language. -They wanted to appear legitimate even though they knew they were not. That is not respectable, nor honest. That is not science.


You need not look any further than this blog to find other examples of dishonesty by these people.

Indeed, to answer the questions in your first post directed towards Abbie "What makes you act the way you do?", why not actually read the blog. Maybe then you could get a sense of whats it like when people misrepresent and distort your profession, your field, and your research topic.

Janine said...

Tim, you are just so..."sensitive". You never been around name calling? What, were you raised in a bubble and little interaction with other humans?

Tell you what, if it is not too much trouble for you, here is a recent example of a cdesign proponentsists being dishonest. Now take this and imagine a couple of examples like this everyday. Such blatant dishonest and willful ignoring of the facts. Name calling in the face of this is justified. Ridicule of bad ideas is a time honored tradition.

Just do as dochocson suggests and check out those creationist sites. If you have even the most basic of a science background and are not blinded by a faith that forces you to ignore what is real, you can see through their tripe. If not, you are as Abbey called you.

Tim said...

Scientists calling The Arguments Regarding Design TARD = DISGUSTING! PATHETIC!

It is.

Professional Creationist telling a graduate student to go kill herself = fine and dandy!

Link?

I heart tard morals.

Wait, I know I didn't tell you to kill yourself. But now I'm a 'tard' too? So you make blanket statements for groups after one creationist wrongs you? Yep, disgusting and pathetic pretty much sums it up.

Enjoy the troll, guys!

If troll = someone who dares to disgree with us, who dares to call Abbie's actions questionable.... then why not.

And Abbie, the criticisms still stand. You might "heart" my "tard" morality, but at least it's more developed than yours. Exemplified by the fact that I don't resort to the tactics you use.

ERV said...

Wait wait wait-- I thought you said you 'read your exchanges back and forth with Dr. Behe' (re comment on 'Epic Fail'), now you need links to Behes comments?

Are you sure you read 'the exchanges between me and the cdesign proponentsists'? Are you sure it wasnt 'nothing'?

LOL

Tim said...

Phish,
I have read the blog.
I came here initially because I was interested in the vpu discussion. I heard that this site addresses the topic quite well. I am also a catholic who believes that evolution does occur, but in-line more with Mike Gene's notion of front-loading. But, more than willing to hear where I'm wrong. I liked Dr. Behe's book and I wanted to read the criticisms.... I came here and found the tactics to be dirty.
Abbie can do whatever she like.... as can I. Which involves calling her, an adult, on such actions.
I don't like people bullying others via derision.

Regarding the book. It really doesn't bother. Court rulings don't determine 'truth'. If the author wanted to change the terms to something less inflamatory fine. If he believed his views to be closer to the truth, despite a court ruling can you call him a tard because he still felt the topic with discussing?
I could lay my views out on the table. And the simple fact that I believe that intention and foresight and purpose play any causal role at all I would be labeled a creationist.
Even if he used those labels from the very beginning "Design proponent", "agency".... would it really have mattered? I think the majority of you would have immediately thought, "pfft... creationist". Like he need an accident using a microsoft office app to aid you in the conclusion that he, according to the views here, was a bone-headed creationist. You would have thought him dishonest for the simple fact that he even dares to inject anything teleological in his scientific framework regardless. The accident was simply a huge convenience for you.

Tim said...

Wait wait wait-- I thought you said you 'read your exchanges back and forth with Dr. Behe' (re comment on 'Epic Fail'), now you need links to Behes comments?

Yes, I read the comments back and forth. And 'yes', I don't recall Behe telling you to kill yourself.

Give me the link.

Janine said...

Tim, seeing that all you want to do is jump all over Abby for titling this exchange "When Tards Attack" instead of just dipping into exchanges that you can easily dig up, it show all the proof that is needed. I can see why you bailed out of grad school. If simple internet research is beyond you, I can see you drowning in an academic setting.

Buh-bye, Tim The Overly Sensitive Troll. Such a shame your feelings are not as touch as your skin.

Janine said...

On topic. I love Python and that was a prime example if them creating a scenario and sticking within the frame work. Love how "What about pointed sticks?" and "Shut Up!" gets funnier as it goes on.

Joe Genes said...

Hi Abby Queen of tards :)

Could you perhaps make an entry on your blog as to how your cool research with epigenetics will help generate new organs for people and help cure cancer and stuff. Like you shortly mentioned here...[URL="http://endogenousretrovirus.blogspot.com/2008/02/im-officially-impossible.html"]Im officially 'impossible'[/URL]

Thank you

Gary said...

Yo Timmy!

We are looking for some new Tard Givers at After The Bar Closes, a Pandas Thumb adjunct blog.

We have real scientists, and fun people, and we seem to have recently lost our Faith Based Poster, FTK.

Please come over and share your thoughts, hopes, dreams, and sciencey sounding information with us.

I have even created Your Very Own Thread!

Hope to See You There!

http://www.antievolution.org/cgi-bin/ikonboard/ikonboard.cgi?s=47c44f7e842f70c0;act=SF;f=14

Mark said...

Professional Creationist telling a graduate student to go kill herself = fine and dandy!
To be fair, no one ever explained "soak your head" on this site; only in your IG interview, that I know of.

Chayanov said...

Play Concern Troll Bingo:

"You're mean."

"Your life must be pathetic."

"You're acting like a child."

"Why can't we all get along?"

"You shouldn't be so insulting."

BINGO!

Jay said...

I found a picture of Tim!

Mr. Serious

phish said...

"I liked Dr. Behe's book and I wanted to read the criticisms.... I came here and found the tactics to be dirty."

Thats all you found? Are you just looking for excuses to disagree?

"If he believed his views to be closer to the truth, despite a court ruling can you call him a tard because he still felt the topic with discussing?"

The court didn't make publishing the book illegal. It wasn't about "discussion." It was about masking their same creationism under different words.

Tim said...

Abbie,
where's the link?
If Behe (I'm assuming that's who you are refering to when you say Professional Creationist) told you to kill yourself that's very upsetting. It makes me even more disgusted with him than with your comments.
However, your initial post on Panda's Thumb was pretty insultive too. Do you think you're going to get a cool, calm and collected response back from someone when you constantly mock them in your initial response to them (on that topic)?
Probably not, Abbie. There's no reason to act that way. Any heat you caught for that (sans comments suggesting you to kill yourself - if you are being honest about that) seems to be a product of your inability to keep your emotions in check in the first place.

These are still humans you so passionately have disgust for. Comments like "now go run off to Pub Med"... seriously Abbie grow up. There's a way you can discuss these topics that doesn't involve mocking.

It's not the easiest thing for me to sit here and be called a 'tard'. Or to even hear that word. Quick side - my best friend got struck by a car in 1988 while "hopping a curb" on his dirt bike. He's alive, but quasi-plegic, is spoon-fed, can only groan and moan to communicate. Last time I heard "tard" was when I would take him for walks in his wheel chair. The neighborhood punk (John Jagodinsky) would call him "vegetable" and "tard". It was kind of easy to ignore. This kid was a violent bully.
Nice to see a grad-student throwing the term around.

Tim said...

Play Concern Troll Bingo:

"You're mean."

"Your life must be pathetic."

"You're acting like a child."

"Why can't we all get along?"

"You shouldn't be so insulting."

BINGO!


This from the board that is stressing honesty.
"Your life must be pathetic" vs "your actions are pathetic".
I see the tactics employed by Abbie are not unique to Abbie.

Nicholas said...

Yay, Monty Python! I don't care what this has to do with silly creationists and their fruit, Monty Python is always appropriate.

Gary said...

Timmy! Come on dude! I set up a special thread for you.

Go to After The bar Closes at antievolution .org.

You will have lots more fun there, beating up a grad student who is only a girl is sooo beneath you.

Unless, all you can do is pick on girls? Then you run away? That's not very Christian of you, is it Tim?

J-Dog

John said...

As a teacher who works with students with a whole range of developmental disabilities, I sort of have to come in again on the side of the offended here. Calling someone you disagree with (even vehemently, and even because they're dishonest) a "tard" is still pretty offensive to a lot of us. It's an obvious reference to calling someone retarded, and it really has no place in this conversation. I can't help but think that there are more poignant (and, let's face it, factually accurate) ways of referring to your opponents.

I hate to do it, but I feel like I should drop ERV from the list of blogs I read, because I can be a part of the ID/evolution debate elsewhere and not have to put up with the ridiculous bandying about of the word "tard."

Tyler DiPietro said...

I hate to do it, but I feel like I should drop ERV from the list of blogs I read, because I can be a part of the ID/evolution debate elsewhere and not have to put up with the ridiculous bandying about of the word "tard."

John is an absolute genius. Really, this is the ultimate solution for anyone offended by the language employed by bloggers. He should patent it.

ERV said...

Michael-- Behe knew what it meant when he wrote it ;)


John, if you really 'read this blog' then you know tard is a very specific slang term. But its okay. I can drop AtBC slang for 4chan slang since you asked nicely-- Creofags it is!

LOL!!!

John said...

::shrugs:: I know I didn't say anything groundbreaking; I'm just stating the obvious. You could've picked any of a hundred words, and you've decided to go with "tard." If that's your choice, you're going to lose a certain segment of your readers and attract in its place readers who are more in line with that. At any rate, good luck with everything!

Chayanov said...

Science sure is hard, what with all the time spent making sure you don't offend the delicate sensibilities of everyone in the world. No wonder the creationists skip all that and just tell lies instead.

Darren said...

"Even if this was a truly novel HIV gene, it would not support the notion that mutations have created all the complexity of life on earth. If this is all that HIV could achieve with its astronomical populations, rapid generation times and high mutation rates, it argues against mutations creating the bacterial flagellum, the cilium, the Krebs cycle, the photosynthetic apparatus, the DNA replication, transcription and translation systems, or a host of other biochemical marvels that are part of life."

That statement is such fail. First of all, I didn't think Evolution had to impress anyone, especially not a cdesign proponentsist. Second of all, HIV is really rather young when compared to the timescale of 3.5B years or so.

ERV said...

Darren-- That phrase sums up Creationism perfectly-- Thanks for highlighting it. Heads they win, tails we lose.

Tim said...

You will have lots more fun there, beating up a grad student who is only a girl is sooo beneath you.

Beating up a girl? No, I'm criticizing her methods. Why is that beneath me?

Unless, all you can do is pick on girls? Then you run away? That's not very Christian of you, is it Tim?

Guess I think more highly of "girls" than you do. Since I wasn't viewing this as my opportunity to pick on a girl.
Also, how is addressing an issue with a person's attitude unChristian?
Where are you people pulling these taunts out of?

Mark said...

From the interview with The Infidel Guy at about 54:22 in:
Abbie: "At one point he told me to 'go soak my head'. I had to go look that up but evidently the rest of that saying is 'go soak your head and don't come up for air'"
Reggie: "Oh my gosh. He has totally lost it."
Abbie: "He's someone's professor, and you know, he's telling graduate students to go kill themselves."

People have been talking about the other thread like this information is there.

Tim said...

Science sure is hard

But fun.


what with all the time spent making sure you don't offend the delicate sensibilities of everyone in the world.

Does science have to include calling people professional liars, tards, ... Does it have to include motivation to accept positions via derision?

No wonder the creationists skip all that and just tell lies instead.

Here we go again. I've said it before, but it's like you're unable to restrain yourself. If it's all just lies why even bother? If you truly view it as a bunch of liars who are lying because it's all they can do then why engage?
If I truly felt this way about you I certainly wouldn't mock. I'd probably feel bad. I couldn't imagine what it must be like to just spew lie after lie. If some topic required me to knowingly do that I'd just drop it. It wouldn't be worth it. It certainly be well too taxing on my sensibilities to maintain. Call it guilt.

Tim said...

That statement is such fail. First of all, I didn't think Evolution had to impress anyone, especially not a cdesign proponentsist. Second of all, HIV is really rather young when compared to the timescale of 3.5B years or so.

Argument by claiming evolution doesn't have to impress? And Abbie pats your back for highlighting this?
Sure it has to impress. It has to impress, upon others, the reasonableness of the claims advanced. Unless, it's an unquestionable brute fact. But then is it science?

Anonymous said...

go here Tim.
http://tinyurl.com/2pefey

You can tell us all about it.

ERV said...

Tim, you keep claiming you have been 'following' this exchange, yet your 'impressiveness meter' has already been discussed ad nauseum by Ian Musgrave and here.

Tim = Time Warp Tard

Seabhag said...

Okay.. Tim, are you sure you aren't intentionally misreading 'tard'? Abby already give you what it meant once in the comments. "The Argument Regarding Design" T.A.R.D. shortened to tard. I say whoever came up with it first (I've seen it multiple places) was brilliant.

Seems to me you are getting yourself worked up into a righteous fury over the fact that someone had enough wit to come up with that acronym.

I grew up with creationists/ID people. The amount of intellectual dishonesty (or total ignorance) was amazing. So to call them "professional liars" is giving them more credit than I think they deserve (that they aren't totally ignorant and revel in that ignorance).

Abby, I must say in this case you appear have engaged in a battle of wits and humor, with an unarmed opponent.

Tim said...

From the interview with The Infidel Guy at about 54:22 in:
Abbie: "At one point he told me to 'go soak my head'. I had to go look that up but evidently the rest of that saying is 'go soak your head and don't come up for air'"
Reggie: "Oh my gosh. He has totally lost it."
Abbie: "He's someone's professor, and you know, he's telling graduate students to go kill themselves."


This kind of reminds me when two people in my office are just out to get someone. Anything that person says or does is going to be turned against them. Exaggerated and blown out of proportion.
"he's telling graduate students to go kill themselves"....
Abbie, you're a regular Bette Midler. If you truly, honestly believe that Dr. Behe was saying THAT.......... wow. And I'm the one you're all claiming has such delicate sensabilities.

I'd like to see the look on Abbie's face if she ever had to attend an alateen meeting. If you have had a parent that was an alcoholic (like me), or hung out with other people that were alcoholics that phrase was sure to come up more than a handful of times. Usually in the context of someone acting belligerent, incoherent, obnoxious... you know, drunk.
Maybe it even meant in those contexts "go off yourself"... I never understood it to mean that. I don't think my dad (saying it to my mom) understood it to mean that.
I just asked my coworkers what they thought it meant. Not one of them assumed it to mean "go kill yourself". The comment "get your head straight", "pull your head out of...." was assumed to be the meaning.
But that's not how Abbie operates. Best to take it at its most heinous meaning.... assume the one who uttered it meant that meaning. And then gasp in shock, dabble in hyperbole and claim that "this guy is telling grads to kill themself". WOW.
Taking this, the general attitude, the use of the very sorry slang "tards", the 'glamour shot' profile pic.... it's starting to make sense.


Hey Abbie... isn't this convenient?

You said:

John, if you really 'read this blog' then you know tard is a very specific slang term. But its okay. I can drop AtBC slang for 4chan slang since you asked nicely-- Creofags it is!

Best not to assume that when Abbie said "tards" she was actually refering to people that meet certain physical and mental impairments. I mean come on, that's a pretty low thing to say. Not very generous to assume she ACTUALLY meant THAT. But Behe says something even less inflammatory and certainly more open to debate as to the meaning.... but Abbie knows his true intention.

Not very gracious... are you Abbie?

Tim said...

.. Tim, are you sure you aren't intentionally misreading 'tard'? Abby already give you what it meant once in the comments. "The Argument Regarding Design" T.A.R.D. shortened to tard. I say whoever came up with it first (I've seen it multiple places) was brilliant.

Oh yeah... and it's not implemented because of what it insinuates. Good point.

Hey, how do you feel about Behe's comment "Go soak your head"? Just checking for consistency.

Seems to me you are getting yourself worked up into a righteous fury over the fact that someone had enough wit to come up with that acronym.

Compared to many of you.... I don't look furious in the least. Certainly not as righteous either.
Regarding T.A.R.D.... as asked above, why do you think that it was picked?

I grew up with creationists/ID people. The amount of intellectual dishonesty (or total ignorance) was amazing. So to call them "professional liars" is giving them more credit than I think they deserve (that they aren't totally ignorant and revel in that ignorance).

And, uhhh... yeah!..I grew up with evolutionists/MET people...and... the amount of intellectual dishonesty (or total ignorance)..... blah.

When I was growing up I wasn't placing people into categories because of their views. I was trying to hear their views out.

Abby, I must say in this case you appear have engaged in a battle of wits and humor, with an unarmed opponent.

Unarmed with the willingness to accept a person who wishes to use insults to prove their point. And who adopts acronyms (happy?) that bear a striking resemblence to insultive words typically used to refer to a person with particular physical and mental impairments.
It might be humorous on a grade school playground.... I just wasn't aware grad-students were tossing it around.

Tim said...

Tim, you keep claiming you have been 'following' this exchange, yet your 'impressiveness meter' has already been discussed ad nauseum by Ian Musgrave and here.

Okay.
Abbie, have I been discussing vpu, siv, hiv here? Or have I been discussing your tactics, methods, attitude?
Yes, I have been following the discussion.... but here (as should be obvious) I have been focusing primarily on your tactics (and such).
I read at telicthoughts. There was a link to Mike Behe's amz-blog, I followed his replies to you and Dr. Musgrave. I read your post over at Panda's Thumb. I read an article by Batten that was linked at UD and I came here to see if you had covered points raised by Batten. No offense to Batten, but I am skeptical of CreationontheWeb. I was alittle curious as to why UD would link the article. But that's up to them.
Batten's claims seemed pretty straight forward, but alittle obvious. So obvious that I was thinking, "well, this can't be the end of it". You, from your post at Panda, came across as very knowledgeable. I was coming here to see if you either directly or indirectly addressed the points raised by Batten.
Let the vpu be completely novel and unique. Batten was claiming that it was a pretty simple (80+ long) protein and that it would have fallen under the purview of what Behe was already claiming in EoE - if it was indeed novel and unique.
So, I came here and read your post with the cat in a bird cage and was taken aback. I read some more of you blog posts and was getting disgusted by how you acted. I then decided to post.

I wasn't initially coming here to debate the topic. If it is what you say, "great"... if it isn't, "great".

ERV said...

Well, Tim, you werent 'exactly' following the exchange then, were you?

You kinda missed a lot of posts, especially ones regarding UD, that *might* explain why I 'act the way I do'. You just barged in like an arrogant ass and wondered why everyone is treating you like an arrogant ass.

And even after all of this, you still fit the description of tard-morality I wrote in my first response to you. So I will leave you with that post again:
Scientists calling The Arguments Regarding Design TARD = DISGUSTING! PATHETIC!

Professional Creationist telling a graduate student to go kill herself = fine and dandy!

I heart tard morals.

Enjoy the troll, guys!

Jay said...

You guys!! The Internet is serious business and you're hurting people's feelings!!!111

Tim -- you are not Abbie's audience. She does not blog for you. Go to pandasthumb or some other blog if you desire a more measured commentary. Abbie is allowed to be as crass and hilarious as she wants.

William Wallace said...

"And all she uses are facts and names."—Janine
"They deserve every ounce of invective that Abbie sends their way."—dochocson
"Nobody cares about your tower, we care about honesty. Cdesign proponetsists are entirely too dishonest -tard is almost a compliment."—phish
"tim, Abbie gets to say what she wants on HER BLOG because it is HER BLOG. If your delicate sensibilities are offended I suggest an obvious solution: go away."—S_A_Wells

I wonder what the bobbleheads think of Ann Coulter.

"In general, I am against big government, but I would support a massive emergency federal program to teach logic to liberals."—Ann Coulter

Tyler DiPietro said...

"I wonder what the bobbleheads think of Ann Coulter."

What you are looking for is contained in this link.

Tyler DiPietro said...

10 bucks says William is jerking off to that link right about now.

Tim said...

Well, Tim, you werent 'exactly' following the exchange then, were you?

I was following the exchange. If you use the word 'exactly' to mean each and everything thing that could have been possibly said by you, or Behe or Musgrave or... whoever, now how exactly could I know that.
That's why I said "I have been following the debate", not "I have been following everything single thing that has been said". You can see the difference, can't you Abbie?

You kinda missed a lot of posts, especially ones regarding UD, that *might* explain why I 'act the way I do'. You just barged in like an arrogant ass and wondered why everyone is treating you like an arrogant ass.

I followed your discussion with Sal on UD. Where Dave threatened to boot and then eventually did. Guess what? He booted me as well. I have no posting rights there either. And no, I don't act like you in regards to that. I take it in stride and practice more emotional restaint that you seem capable of. What happened on UD doesn't justify your actions and how you handle yourself.

And even after all of this, you still fit the description of tard-morality I wrote in my first response to you. So I will leave you with that post again:
Scientists calling The Arguments Regarding Design TARD = DISGUSTING! PATHETIC!

Professional Creationist telling a graduate student to go kill herself = fine and dandy!


I addressed this concern of yours already. Not impressed with your labels nor your inability to accurately represent a person's position. But I can see how labels might be handy for some. It allows them to categorically dodge criticisms from a group that have a particular label.... providing them relief from the potential discomfort that comes when their inconsistent position becomes elucidated. ('tard' contextual significance.... 'soak your head' assumption).

Abbie, I'd like to say that I was expecting more from you, but I wasn't. If you typically act the way you did in your postings on this blog (when not pressed) why would you act any different when pressed?

Tim said...

Tim -- you are not Abbie's audience. She does not blog for you. Go to pandasthumb or some other blog if you desire a more measured commentary. Abbie is allowed to be as crass and hilarious as she wants.

Did I say that she couldn't?
There is a distinction between 'should not' and 'could not'. Of course she can be crass. As demonstrated time and time.... and time....... and time again.
But hilarious? Yeah, regular Red Skelton with her impeccable timing and jaw dropping insight. For an audience of like-minded folk who get a rise out of back patting, sure... she might elicit a chuckle.

Gary said...

Tim- I STILL haven't seen you over at ATBC...

No balls? Just want to try and beat up women?

Not very Christian of you, is it Tim?

Mybe your Sky Faja will forgive you.

J-Dog

Tyler DiPietro said...

"I take it in stride and practice more emotional restaint that you seem capable of."

I wouldn't exactly call swooning at the vapors over the use of derisive slang "emotional restraint".

ERV said...

Its a good lesson for you to learn, Tim. Dont feel bad-- Dembski and Behe had to learn it the hard way too.

I have no pity for Creationist rats. Not in posts. Not in comments. Not in real life.

Janine said...

Little little Willie, I know what you think of *nn C**lt*r. You clever little boy. You sure put us in our place.

Anonymous said...

I'm also mildly offended by the term 'Tard'. Also, please, more puppy stories.

Stephen Wells said...

I'm still baffled by the mindset of people who think that they can dictate how other people write their own blogs. It's as if they think they're the Academie Francaise of the internet.

ERV said...

Stephen-- especially mindless trolls like Tim.

LOL Thanks, Lou!

JanieBelle said...

Hey Tim,

I see that whole "I can intimidate this blogger, she's a GIRL!" thing isn't going so well for you here, either.

Perhaps you should tell Abbie about how her parents fucked up raising her, like you told me.

It's rather funny how you bitch about tactics and how other people act, when the first thing you said at my place was "Janie, you are depressing. You are a disgusting person."

What a misogynistic, hypocritical, insecure, envious and odious little Tard you are.

No lips for drips.

JanieBelle said...

Kisses Abbie!

(You posted whilst I composed...)

Joe Genes said...

Hey Abbie

Could you please make an entry on your blog as to how your cool research with epigenetics will help generate new organs for people and help cure cancer and stuff. Like you shortly mentioned here...[URL="http://endogenousretrovirus.blogspot.com/2008/02/im-officially-impossible.html"]I'm officially 'impossible'[/URL]. Could you also please show a few of your peer-reviewed articles if you don't mind. I don't think you want people to think you are a pseudo-scientific douchebag that tries to look smart.

Thank you

Danny Boy said...

janiebelle,
you are all of that.
Don't go blaming me about what you post.

"misogynistic"?
You people keep bringing this up. What has it to do with anything. That it just happens that two very pathetic people (who happen to both be women) acting deplorable?

Abbie thinks it amusing if Haggard would shoot himself (and recoils in shock over her interpretation of something Behe said.... but certain her interpretation MUST have been what he meant). Wishes the whole immediate Falwell family would have all died with Jerry (who she expressed joy about his death).

Jannibelle,
you have that disgusting post on Hovind and Luskin. Where you run off with more insults than I've typically heard prior to a high school rumble.

And you say to me "What a misogynistic, hypocritical, insecure, envious and odious little Tard you are."

Again, you are both disgusting. Plain and simple. Abbie, I take it you suffer from depression. Ever think that maybe your attitude, your behavior plays heavily into that? It certainly doesn't seem like your "Cheery Atheism" is working very well. Or is spewing venom at dissenters part of that Happy Atheist thing you're working out?

Get back to me on that...
thanks.

Jay said...

I'm disgusted by all this disgusting disgust.

Anonymous said...

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And don't bother responding to this.
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