Tuesday, November 13, 2007

Yeah you know, but still-- 'Judgement Day' tonight!

I will link to Uncommon Descent for the last time ever, on this occasion, and copy/paste some relevant bits before they delete this wonderful post forever.

Life After Dover, By William Dembski:

As I see it, there are three possible outcomes:

  1. The Dover policy, in which students are informed that the ID textbook Of Pandas and People is in their library, is upheld.
  2. The Dover policy is overturned but the scientific status of ID is left unchallenged.
  3. The Dover policy is not only overturned but ID is ruled as nonscientific.
For what it’s worth, my subjective probabilities are that outcome 1. has about a 20% probability, outcome 2. has about an 70% probability, and outcome 3. has less than a 10% probability.

Relevant post by Dave Scot (again, not his real name) Billys confidant:
Judge John E. Jones on the other hand is a good old boy brought up through the conservative ranks. He was state attorney for D.A.R.E, an Assistant Scout Master with extensively involved with local and national Boy Scouts of America, political buddy of Governor Tom Ridge (who in turn is deep in George W. Bush’s circle of power), and finally was appointed by GW hisself. Senator Rick Santorum is a Pennsylvanian in the same circles (author of the “Santorum Language” that encourages schools to teach the controversy) and last but far from least, George W. Bush hisself drove a stake in the ground saying teach the controversy. Unless Judge Jones wants to cut his career off at the knees he isn’t going to rule against the wishes of his political allies. Of course the ACLU will appeal. This won’t be over until it gets to the Supreme Court. But now we own that too.

All science so far, eh? Those posts need to live forever.


Bruce said...

Komedy gold.

Sili said...

Dan Savage has been so effective that I snickered at "Santorum Language" before I got a chance to think.

heh heh heh - santorum ...

Red said...

I'm watching it as I type. It's even funny to see a reenactment of Behe trying to prove his point.

ERV said...


That was really, really good! They even got little details right, ie "dont accept evolution" vs "dont believe in evolution".

Good job, good program, and I hope its on YouTube for the international folks and those who missed it!

The Factician said...

I was a tiny disappointed with a few of the minor science errors (mere word blurbles, but nonetheless...).

It did fill in a few of the lawyerly details that I wasn't clear on (and a few of the intelligent design blurbles as well).

I laughed, I cried, I gave it a 9.

Ian said...

Thanks for the link, Abbie. I think that was the first time I read through an entire UD post and all the comments. Davey and Billy are hilarious.

Annyday said...

I, also, snicker at the word "Santorum".

Also: AtBC has a link up where the full program is supposed to be online in a few days, have no fear.

Torbjörn Larsson said...

Thanks for reminding me that Dembski is as bad with estimating probabilities as he is with understanding them in theory.

On the show, it is also rumored that it will eventually be linked from the producers site. Great idea, as good comedy is always a treat.

Art said...

Gotta love that stuff at UD. So Bill and especially Dave were so over-confident that they'd win at Dover.

Dave was sure that they could rely upon a partisan, Dubya-appointed, activist judge who would stick with his "good old boy" network (as a veteran of the 1960's Civil Right era, I almost can't believe Scott would use that freighted term!)

Dembski was a bit more sly, hedging his bets. And of course, we all know that Bill left Behe on the hotseat to represent the DI on his incompetent lonesome, so Bill may have had some worries about either having to admit his lies in court (as did Behe), or perjure himself for the sake of Howard Ahmanson and God.

Then Judge Jones turned out to have actually considered the case on its merits, in light of the laws of the land and the Constitution. Dembski's least-likely outcome came to pass. Scott must have died a little more in his shriveled heart.

That page is going to remain something we should all refer to every time the ID Creationists call the Dover decision the biased work of an activist judge. DI's problem is that the Dover case got a good judge, not the "good old boy" bias they wanted or expected.

Bill and Dave's posts should be kept as historical and rhetorical references, right along with the Wedge Document.

-- HalfMooner

Annyday said...

Art, have you seen After the Bar Closes? There's a 700+ page thread chronicling the antics of UDers, you'd love it.

Art said...

Annyday, I've been there before, but it's not a habitual hangout for me. I don't promise to read all 700 pages, but I will take a good look now, thanks!

-- HalfMooner

Jorgon Gorgon said...

What is really fascinating is their fawning all over Judge Jones *before* the trial; and suddenly, after it's over, the same person turns out to have been an evil activist judge after all. Are they trying to have it both ways? Well, nothing new there...